Hello together Looking for a plug in hybrids, I tested all three models and want to summarize my (subjective!) experiences here in a thread and stimulate discussion, also like to include experiences from owners. Maybe there is one or the other one who has these three models also on his list?! To the model selection: Prerequisite is the possibility of an AHK, as generous a boot as possible, nominally min. 50 Km EV Range as well as LP (with optional equipment) between 49 and 57 thousand euros (therefore neither BMW 225 xe, Volvo XC 60 Twin Engine nor MB C350e driven)Kia Optima SW plug in hybrid hazards in full equipment Beautiful car with almost wasteful space conditions. Headroom through glass roof felt somewhat restricted for me (183cm height) Interior with valuable workmanship, logical operation Beautiful trunk, also sufficiently large (no double floor due to battery) rear bench 40/20/40 foldable, with load capacity for SKI sound system H/K with proper sound, but nothing that lets me make air jumps Navi reacts flott, gives little suspension. Car starts in EV mode…(it’s because the heating is turned on, see below) driving performance is sufficient overall, although not intoxicating. Especially in hybrid mode on the highway up quite tough. Steering could be more direct for my feeling, but certainly a little getting used to it (come from the F55 Cooper S, that likes I was only able to test the ACC for a short time, it worked well, lane change assistant passive BUT: Even with a full battery it is not possible to drive the car in the REINEN electric mode, if either a) the heater is running (you can switch the burner on and off with the heating controller, so to speak!) or b)you can also give a little bit too much gas, because then ALWAYS the burner switches on and off. Conclusion: VIEL car for money…unfortunately no particle filter almost does what it should… BET ON REIN ELECTRICally drive when you heat. So for me not the right Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, MJ 2017 Dangers in TOP-Satung/Fahrassistenzpaket Typical SUV… you love it or you hate it! I do NOT need space at the rear much more narrow than in the KIA headroom itself with glass roof very good, high seating position, good overview to all sides, even to the rear interior: One word : DEUTSCHEND Although leather stool, but for my opinion little seating comfort (side support, thigh support) Many black clear painted plastic surfaces… Unlit switches for the window lifters… Luggage compartment: for the vehicle class mE to no, luggage compartment lining with scratch-sensitive hard plastic on the sides and an almost windy floor cover rear bench only 60/40, JEDOK: you have to fold the seat surfaces of the rear seats forward to get a flat loading surface n (I had a Fiat Panda 30 years ago, it was the same way!), no loading possibility for e.g.Ski Soundsystem Fosgate: With FM Radio disappointing, with DAB+ but decent sound…for that in the suitcase a side compartment for the subwoofer is lost Navi (MMCS): cumbersome, little intuitive operation, no pinch to zoom, sluggish response to inputs, strange female voice car always starts in EV Mode driving performance: you notice the FZG weight (>1.9t), overall it would have been more likely At 170 km/h there is a regulation, but who really needs more with a (partial) electric SUV? Steering is quite unfeeling, synthetic, I didn’t like suspension comfort is ok; noise insulation is fine…even if the combustion engine already performs its work clearly on the AB. Significant wave movements in (fletter) cornering The biggest plus is the implementation of the hybrid concept in the Outlander: up to just over 60 km/h purely electric, above that the combustion engine switches to and operates only the generator for electricity generation, to charge the batteries and just over 120km/h the burner is used to drive the front wheels. More precisely: https://www.motor-talk.de/…/PostJump.html?… Works without much excitement and without getting anything from it. By the 2nd electric motor on the rear axle: 4WD (like to be interesting for one or the other, I don’t need it) In addition to the type 1 charging connection still fast charge possible via Chademo, (what ic h didn’t try it, but I thought it would be very useful to test ACC only for a short time, was very “cautious”, mE braked too much and too early on the front man, but you can change it in the settings. Track change assistant passive, has basically only beeped and flashed in the cockpit, deactivable. Conclusion: Almost ingenious hybrid concept! Chademo fast charge possible! No particle filter! Advantage 4WD and SUV feeling for those who want/need that. In the areas of As This is because the test drive in the GTE due to winter road conditions and summer tyres is unfortunately due to the lack of detailed infatuation for a vehicle with LP > 50 thousand Euros disappointing. VW Passat Variant GTE To the Passat GTE there is already a lot to read at https://www.motor-talk.de/…/collectread-passat-b8-gte-t5328089.html and at https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/kronkrete-gte-fragen-t6253460.html… and much more than I could contribute to the topic here, since the test drive in the GTE due to winter road conditions and summer tyres unfortunately r danger in very extensive equipment including panoramic roof Very good space conditions, front and rear (there a little less than KIA). Headroom due to glass roof hardly restricted workmanship and material appearance in the interior elevated above all doubts, even better than KIA Beautiful trunk, the largest in the round rear bench 40/20/40 foldable, with load capacity for SKI standard sound system with quite remarkable sound image, know the Dynaudios but I can’t imagine that the salted surcharge would be worth the thing…and I have to say that I’m quite sensitive. Navi (Discover pro) reacts quickly, zoom with fingers etc…gives NOTHING to expose. AID found a force, the variety of possible ads is fantastic, although I haven’t tested all the functions. Car always starts in EV mode…(although not below -10°) Driving performance: Surprising…compared to the others already really one remarkable difference, even though I could not seriously “experienced it (summer wheels, snowfall) steering compared the best, nice direct suspension comfort rather tight compared, but not uncomfortable (no DCC), rolling behavior as well as noise insulation (no noise-absorbing disks!) very good, but not driven on AB, it may be different! ACC could not test, track change assistant only made itself noticeable once by “Rubbling” on the steering wheel Fazi t: ME the best package…but also no particle filter! Unfortunately too short test drive under adverse conditions. Longer test drive, best over the weekend, in any case useful (in my opinion generally before purchasing PHEV) All three charge single phase with max. 3.7kW, the outlander additional with Chademo connection (40/50? kW) On the topic of cost, power consumption, electric range and efficiency (keyword: LADEVERLUSTE) at the GTE there is at https://www.motor-talk.de/…/collect thread-passat-b8-gte-t5328089.html in the GTE collection thread rich information. I can only guess whether this applies to the two competitors. In this respect, I deliberately leave this in comparison. VG tomtom