Hello together, what do you think about fixed built-up car radios and navs, which are forced on today by every car manufacturer of humanity? I personally find these things only rip off. I will never buy a car with integrated nav. The problem is not the nav, but the rest usually only out of money used by the manufacturers. You want to have only one nav, and get a multimedia center for not seldom 2000€ to 350€ in the cut. These the manufacturers can pay well already at the purchase. And not rarely do they earn also in the afterin in best with it. A good nav costs today approx. 100€. So stands absolutely in no proportion what the car manufacturers demand for. What do you mean???? Greeting Willi H