Hi, are there such rough benchmarks? The example vehicle (ST FR 1.4 TSI ACT) was (or is) about 6000 € under list, but e.g. still without “Beats” speakers and with Alcantara package (which is probably not available anymore). So new car, but probably not completely new produced. I had – beginners usual – let myself be “muttered” a bit on the first visit and almost not negotiated about the price. So I now also rejected the offer 😀 But for the next time I would like to know how much so you can count on the thumb on discount. Thank you