consulting the dictators in the motor talk pact, I was pointed out to various løsungsansætze regarding the offtopic problem. a really new idea was the “fireplace” practice, a thread that creates space for discussions about everything that does not stand on two or four rædern. the model works very well in the cls forum and was recently imitated in the forum to the latest a6. such a thread nevertheless has a series of requirements: whatever written it is necessary to maintain mutual respect and to always be aware that such a thread is public. even if this thread is in volvo-forum, other users can and will read it and about google there will be regular outside visitors. that in turn does not mean that all read here. allusions to for other unknown events and æ. like the “insider jokes” after some meet etc. should now not appear in other threads n, because the idea of such a “fireplace room” is to give the users a chance to get to know other people in the forum without affecting the technical and volvo-relevant threads in the rest of the forum. a really nice contribution to this has been written here designs. now I am naturally looking forward to your return message! an initial topic – just not elche – à la bismarcksche revolution from above I don’t like to pretend, but have great confidence in the fact that e.g. spree forest-volvo with ease can start an interesting discussion. dear gruss oli, frustrated after misfired operating system update.