Edit: The contributions were originally from this thread and developed a life of their own which now finds its new place here. MadMax 的MT-Team Wouldn’t it be easier if you would tell us your “Premium brand” once, so that the answers can be explicitly go / steered in a certain direction? Can experience all the Audi RS and BMW M models present to you. However, does nothing compare such a model with a Ceed. (Price/Performance) There moves ma If you would invest in the Kia, for example, < €10,000, to eliminate any interference factors, e.g. plastic clapping or the like, missed an adjustment to the gearbox for switching operations, then you have a super vehicle, which can keep up with other brands. You should only be aware that the Kia has a Twinscroll loader, no single or BiTurbo like waige "Premium Brands"