Hello Phaetian, I have to breathe my anger here!!! I spent a beautiful Phaeton W12,Year of construction 03.2007,running performance 3000 kilometers,with all extras!! So quasi a new car! The non-binding new price was 187.000,00 €. I spent 59.000,00 € for it.That’s also not the topic, I got a lot of car for it. Now I had the wish to get something more sporty and decided for the Audi S5 Coupe 4,2 FSI Tiptronic! Although the W12 according to the dealer’s price is still about 42000,00 € in different lists is unfortunately not offered to me more than approx.24.000,00 €!!! Also the dealer with whom I had bought the vehicle told me the same thing,with the explanation,the demand gives the price!! Can a dealer with this excuse beat me a trade deal? I know nevertheless that I always have a loss business, but I really have to find such a mock price with it? Does anyone have similar experiences? I wish you all a good one in 2012!