Category: Tesla Model S and Model X Forum

Quote: At the beginning of this month, Audi presented the concept car e-tron quattro concept at the IAA, an electric SUV offering 500 kilometres of range and intended to be launched in 2018. Due to the range that surpasses that of the Model X (maximum 413 kilometres), many media have quickly named the concept vehicle from Audi as “Tesla Killer”. Tesla Motors officially unveiled the Model X yesterday, and thereby announced further information, including the W the so-called flow resistance coefficient, also known as the cW value. This is 0.24 in the Model X and thus 20 percent lower than the next best SUV. Such values are not attainable with an SUV with internal combustion engine. Interestingly, Audi boasted at the presentation of its “Tesla Killer” that with a cW value of 0.25 a new best mark in the SUV segment has been set – that’s how it continues to be on the official company side. The main argument for many media that Audi’s concept car was to call a “Tesla Killer” was the range. However, one has to bear in mind that Audi is a German car manufacturer and thus the range of the vehicles is measured by means of the New European Driving Cycle (NEFZ). Tesla Motors, on the other hand, gives the range according to the values of the US Federal Office of the EPO. The values of the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) are often not as practical as the EPA values. For example, according to NEDC, the Tesla Model S 85D has a range of 330 miles, while EPA indicates the range of 270 miles. This corresponds to a difference of over 22 percent. The Model X could therefore create values similar to Audi with a 95 kWh battery. Just recently, Elon Musk mentioned in a video interview with a Danish newspaper (the video was mid-wayed). unfortunately removed from Youtube), that he considers an improvement in the range of five to ten percent per year to be realistic. For this reason alone, it is clear that the designation “Tesla Killer” for a concept vehicle that appears in 2018 has been chosen very hastily.

What’s next? BMW builds “Tesla Stores” and Audi wants to use the 18650 cells like Tesla for years in Model S! As a night, an “Audi Gigacharger” charging grid comes with 4 years delay… Quote: The Audi R8 e-tron, Like The Tesla Model S, Uses 18650 Battery Cells Did Audi make use of Tesla的s open-source patents in designing the R8 e-tron? We doubt it, but there is one similarity between the R8 e-tron and Tesla Model S that is impossible to ignore. The R8 e-tron, like the Model S, make use of 18650 cells. In the R8 e-tron, the cell count is 7,488. Those cells are placed in 52 separate modules. Total kWh listed for the battery pack is 91. The cells operate at 3.6 amperes Over in the Tesla Model S 85 kWh you-ll find 7,104 18650 cells. These cells are believed to operate at 3.4 amperes. So, ever-so slightly different than. Perhaps this similarity could lead us to include that if you-re going to build a high-performance, long-range electric car, then the 18650 ce ll is the way to go? Or, could it be that Tesla did share some of its battery ideas with Audi in developing the R8 e-tron? Remember, the R8 e-tron was cancelled back in the day due to Audi only being able to cram 46.6 kWh of battery into the car and the automaker being compromised with its total range. We wonder then, did Tesla provide a solution to Audi, either directly (through discussions) or indirectly (Audi checked out the Model S and found a solution for the R8), or is this all merely a co Incidence?

Although the Tesla S is an electric car, and directly and locally no pollutants are emitted, during its ‘refuelling’ at the dt. power station, e.g. at the superchargers, air pollutants (at the fossil power plants) are very well emitted. Amazingly, above all, that SO2 that should actually be a thing of the past due to the introduction of sulphur-free fuels is again emitted to a considerable extent! Tesla Model S: NOx: 89 mg/km SO2: 61 mg/km For comparison limit values EURO5 Ott omotor: NOx: 60 mg/km SO2: not detectable For other pollutants such as particulate matter, heavy metals look similar! Basis of calculation: dt. Strommix 2012, manufacturer consumption Tesla (181 Wh/km)

Hi, yes I find the Tesla’s sharp and would like to drive one. But how? So the rates would burden my income from self-employment, but then also the treasury less collects. For that I would be particularly nice to the environment, because here it is just so teeming with ugly wind turbines and they produce electricity if no one needs it. However, I have only a few short ways by car because I work from home. Sure to my daughter’s school, sometimes to the merchant, but in de r week is hardly worth talking about. I burn the most diesel on my long journeys to my customers and to conferences. That’s 350-600 km a distance! So I just arrive there, or only with 1-2 hours of reloading stop. On site the search for a power outlet at the end station starts first. But what if the meeting is finished now after four hours? Then I only come back about 200 km and then? I don’t like to make a long charging break – and that’s exactly what the with my i40 diesel it is quite simple: my range is sluggish 1000 km, without refueling. I can always decide where I get the cheapest fuel on the trip and then I fill up in 10 min (including payment). As long as there is no adequate solution for this I will probably continue to dream of losing electric mobility – and save a lot, a lot of money. So that the German state will again become debt-free! Greeting Lightspeed

As some have already noticed, there is an improved battery which now has 90 kwh. Of course is a nice thing, but the earlier claims of more range at the same prices still sounds to me in the ears. I assume a temporary intermediate phase, which should dissolve with the start of the gigafactory. Moreover, no high quantities will be produced yet. So there is a temporary split. Old battery with 85 kwh and the bess of a 5% increase in battery performance per year I think is a bold assertion. I do not think that there will be 70/85/90/95 kwh in 3 years. The 70 he should then also pull along or is the production of the new cells more complex and thus more expensive, so that an adjustment over 5 to 8 years takes place? I assume that the 85 falls away in 2-3 years and it then a selection of 70 kwh (with fewer cells, to which the capacity does not There will be 90 kwh without extra charge. It is at any rate slightly different than with the burners. The optimized motors (depending on, among other things, less consumption, more power, longer timing belt interval etc.) are not covered with extra charges.

Today I read an interesting article about autonomous driving in the world on Sunday, using the example of a Tesla Model S with Bosch Techenk.http://www.welt.de/…/Lenken-war-gestern.html I found the time horizon remarkable: “Autobahns are in contrast to inner cities manageable terrain. There we also expect highly automated driving around the year 2020”, prophesies Conti boss Elmar Degenhart. “Then the driver still has to monitor this, but the systems are ready to relieve the burden.” I think our expectations for a real autopilot are a bit optimistic. It’s also interesting why this is being developed. Because it’s a gigantic market where you can make real money. If that’s not a motivation for the automotive industry.

Hello together with big wheels I imagine a lowering of the vehicle.Does anyone have any experience with it? And: Yes, I know the critics come faster than the supporters. Let’s discuss the topic of a minority anyway. As far as I know, the work has a different base height and then the aluminium and titanium signs are added: Tesla additionally equips the Model S with titanium underbody shields and aluminium guide plateshttp://teslamag.de/ne ws/tesla-bottom-model-s-aluminium-377 and more interesting is the software update for the model S, which Tesla recorded. The air suspension raises the vehicle at high speeds now, so that dangerous objects on the road have a lower chance to reach the armored underbody.http://www.golem.de/…/…anpanzer-against-akkubraende-1403-105460.html

Hello Here someone writes how he drove 220km at 218 km/h (according to Tacho) without slowing down because of a possible throttle. Quotation: Now I wanted to know. The last supercharger at Magdeburg was exactly 267km away and a wide German highway with hardly any night traffic made my sports car-proven heart beat faster. I pressed the power pedal fully through. 218km/h were easily possible with a lot of the track. After about 220km recognized I was looking for a truck for the last 40 kilometers, which I followed at speed 80 in the wind shadow. I also copied the final set, not that I only want to show the advantages. So he drove 220 km at 218 km/h, without a throttle and so he could reach the supercharger in 267 km, the last kilometers after a truck. So much for the enormous throttle ung. Finally someone tested it and the topic is then also off the table!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS: Love full throttle is not possible with a Tesla writer? What do you say now?

Unfortunately, you won’t find anything when you google. Actually, a visual facelift for the Tesla Model S would have to be ready soon, wouldn’t it? It’s already been sold for some time now and I think a lot could be done, both in exterior and interior design. I still find the Tesla a nice car, but especially in the area of the rear lights and the front apron it would be desirable to rework it a little. Inside you could e.g. the screen elegantly It integrates and implements a new software design (also for the old ones). Here the trend goes strongly to flat, clear forms and minimalism, the software design of the current Tesla OS looks more like iOS before version 7 or like Japanese cars.

Hi, Tesla advertises for leasing: Quotation: Benefit now from 0.25% Leasing Applies to all 75 models Example of calculation: Cash purchase price EUR 78.770, monthly leasing rate EUR 650, duration 48 months, maximum driving performance 10的000 km/year and a down payment of 30%. Free leasing offer by X-Leasing GmbH, Richard-Strauss-Str. 69, 81679 Munich. Conclusion of the leasing contract subject to a positive credit check by the above-mentioned company. 75 models? 2 models: S and X. Presumably the 75 kWh models are meant. And in the Tesla Newsletter of June 2017 (“Tesla Updates June 2017″ from 28.06.2017” it was only 10% down payment, but in principle the same: quote: Take advantage of the brand new leasing conditions of 0.25% and now secure your place behind the tax of a Model S from 660 EUR or a Model X from 807 EUR per month with only 10% down payment*. Take advantage of an additional 4,000 EUR environmental bonus and 10 years of decree de r Car tax. Quote: * Cash purchase price of Model S EUR 79.210, monthly leasing rate EUR 660, duration 48 months, maximum driving performance 10 000 km/year and a deposit of EUR 7.877 (10%). Cash purchase price of Model X EUR 97,190, monthly leasing rate EUR 807, duration 48 months, maximum driving performance 10 000 km/year and a deposit of EUR 9719 (10%). Free-of-charge leasing offer by X-Leasing GmbH, Richard-Strauss-Str. 69, 81679 Munich. What about the invoice, which results in a “0.25% leasing”? Because this is not intuitive to me. And if I look at the figures like this, then there is something wrong with the result of this invoice and I get a very bad impression. If I calculate: 650/78.770 = 0.825% with 30% down payment 660/79.120 = 0.834% with 10% down payment 807/97.190 = 0.830% with 10% down payment And then I look at the web page. the said company “X-Leasing”, then there is nothing to see about it at all. But it starts at 999 a month at 20,000 EUR down payment. Did any of you understand by which magic the 0.25% should come about?